Scather and the Mod

I need to get back the original description of this weapon. Some one may love it but a holy avenger +4 is a little bit over powered. But i have to admit that it is not the only reason. I leveled up my cleric (neutral-good) to use that weapon as a greatsword. I tried a lot of mods but doesn't work to make it original. I also tired to edit the longdescription.mes and description.mes . But couldn't do that.
Anybody can help me about this thanks.

P.S Please do not advice me to re-install the game :thumbsup:

 

So you don't want Scather to be a greatsword? Changing the description files won't help you, that requires a modification in protos.tab.

 

It is not an holy Avenger. It is just a very powerful weapon that never misses, and that is what really makes it outpowered, because you may use it with power attack and combat mastery at top and still hit for sure every enemy.
If you try to give it to a cleric like a greatsword, it should work, but only because it never misses. Remember that clerics are NOT proficient with martial weapons and then are not with bastard swords, even if helded with 2 hands. What do you mean with "I tried a lot of mods but doesn't work to make it original. "? What are u talking about? If you want a real Holy Avenger, download the lates protos.tab from here: http://www.co8.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1927
Anyway, about the files that you named, one contains only the name list for items, NPCs, PCs, monsters and everything else that has a name in the game; the other contains a more detailed description for items with special abilities. Editing those files does not affect Scather or Fragrach effects. The file that contains items is the protos.tab but it is not intuitive as it could look. Scather and Fragrach are hard-coded so it is not a good idea to modify them.
Be sure to have Livonya's 1.5.1 mod and the latest fixes relased from us.

 

Sorry. Let me make things clear. In my "modded" game, Scather is bastard sword. And in original desciription that i get from Sorcerer's Place is;
Scather
Feat: Greatsword
Damage: 2d6 +2d6 vs. evil creatures and +2d6 vs. lawful creatures
Critical Range: 19-20/ x2
Special: Never misses its target. It is a +4 weapon. Its damage bonus increases to +8 against evil creatures if the wielder is Chaotic Neutral, Neutral Good, or Chaotic Good. The blade makes unlimited Attacks of Opportunity against creatures that strike a Chaotic Good wielder. The blade allows one such additional Attack of Opportunity for a Chaotic Neutral wielder. The weapon won’t affect constructs and certain undead.

I gave my cleric MartialWeapon Proficiancy GreatSword but but he can't wield it 'cause it is a bastardsword.
But maybe i missing something about something else! Am I?
Thanks again.

 

Your cleric should be able to use the sword wether they have proficiency in it or not. Since that sword always hits it shouldn't matter if a character knows how to use it.

 

Scather works best with a CG fighter with exoticwepsprof(bastardsword). Also, don't give it to any npc,they don't get the aoo like a CG fighter does.

 

I think part of your confusion may be due to this: in the original unmodded game, Scather was described as a bastard sword, but worked like a greatsword, requiring 2 hands even for someone with bastard sword proficiency, and doing 2d6 damage instead of 1d10. In subsequent mods, however, it was corrected, and made into a bastard sword, the way it should have been all along. Is that what's confusing you? The site you mentioned probably just gave the stats for the unmodded game.

 

Only get the exotic weapon proficiency if you are intending to dual wield both Scather/Fragarach. Otherwise it only allows you to use it one handed instead of two handed (which does not make sense because you will be doing much less damage, unless you are intending to use it with a tower shield over a buckler).
Weapon focus bastard sword will also be useless unless you are a fighter and are intending to go for weapon specialisation.
I dont know whether AOO for CG fighter is a good idea, it seems to be buggy when you get to the temple, slows your game down :sadblinky

 

A fighter may take weapon specialization for bastard sword even without the exotic proficiency feat, because he is supposed to be already proficient with it IF he dualwield it, and in the game it is the same. E.P.Feat is required only to handle 1 bastard sword with one hand, having the great advantage of a large shield.
Don't forget that bucklers' AC bonus should not be applied when using a 2-handed weapon or 2 weapons and there is a specific feat for this in core rules. It is a shield designed to keep one hand FREE, to grab other things like potions or scrolls or a ranged weapon, so designed for archers, or for thieves, since a masterwork buckler does not add any penality to attack rolls if weapon finesse is in use.

About your cleric, sorry to say that you had to take the exotic proficiency feat: bastard sword if you wished to handle it with one hand, but don't worry. As already told above, as long as you use Scather or Fragrach, you'll never miss any enemy and so don't worry about the -4 penality for not being proficient with that weapon. Enchant a buckler instead.

 

Oh! Thanks all of you. I'm enlightened. Since i gave my cleric "weapon proficiency greatsword", he can't use Scather. As you said it must be a bastardsword but due to a bug (i guess) it is working as a greatsword in "unmodded" (original) game.
So how can i use it as greatsword again?
* By re-installing game?
*Or an another solution?
*Or am I still wrong about using it as a greatsword is impossible?

Thanks again.
And if you are having difficulty about understanding my message, it is probably because of my bad english.

 

I don't know which patch/mod changed it to bastard sword, but if you have a CG fighter in the party, give it to them. Get exoticwepsprof so it can be used one-handed. Get masterwork plate and metal tower shield, craft +3, plus ring of protection, and you have AC30+ superkiller who never misses. Works for me.

 

Scather was NOT a bastard sword in the original module, it was a broadsword. It was NOT a Chaotic Good weapon either (that was a typo and has been addressed numerous times by people like Frank Mentzer and Gary Gygax). The closest you will get to the original is to make it a longsword. :beer:

 

Speaking of swords, the Frostbrand from the firetemple chest is a greatsword. but I'm not sure how to get to use it one-handed. Greatsword isn't listed in exotic weapons prof. Scather in one hand and Frostbrand in the other. Hmmm., Can it be done?

 

Haven't tried it, but this works with Tower Shields;

Cast Enlarge Person on your fighter. Equip one sword in each hand. When he shrinks back down, he should still be holding both.

 

I was wondering if others expeienced trouble with dual wielding Fragarach and scather. I am using the first two official mods, the co8 fan fix, Morbeus's temple.dll, the max hp, humble npc, and pc count (6 pc's and 2 npc's...well 0 in my party currently) I am trying to do it with a barb(lvl 1-4) fighter (5-6) with Power attack, cleav, great cleave, Exotic weapons prof. Bastard sword, and Weapons focus bastard Sword(which i shouldn't have). When i get an AoO the game freezes.