Hiding Robes (?)

I've been trying to make robes invisible.

So far I've been sort of able to do so, but setting Item Material Slot to any of the unused/empty values as per materials.mes (as there is no 'No Robe' value) makes some parts of equipped garbs disappear (like dresses on females while wearing farmer garbs turn into body suits, the mythical garbs lose some of their pieces, etc). Which isn't at all ideal.

But setting it to the value of No Armor just makes a naked character even with an equipped armor slot.

I am assuming that since both the robes and armor gear replace the CHEST: model, there must be some priority system that hides the armor when a robe is equipped.
Is there any way to reverse that? Prioritize the armor slot over the robe slot?

Or is there another way to hide a robe without it having to hide parts of the equipped armor?

Any possible solution to the problem, no matter what it would require, is welcome.

Much thanks.

 

Nope, no go.
tga files are textures and the skm files are the actual meshes that determine the shape of the model and how it overlays over the body model. Transparency in texture files never worked like that.
At least that's how it was in any other game where I was modifying armor models.

Anyway, I am pretty sure that even if I go through the trouble of converting/reconverting the .skm mesh into a dummy one, I would wind up with a naked torso. Because the game apparently hides whatever is in the torso slot when a robe is equipped. It completely overwrites the slot when a robe is equipped in materials.mes. Otherwise there would be clipping issues galore when both the robe and a chest armor are equipped.

I'm trying to retain the whatever model in the torso slot, but ignore the robe slot.

Even when I point the protos.tab Material entry for a robe into an unused materials.mes slot -- the slots that are specifically reserved for 'empty armor slots' -- the game just removes some parts of the torso slot model anyway.

I'm trying to find out if it's either hardcoded for the robe slot, or there could be some priority over which (robe or torso) gets to be shown when both are equipped somewhere. Or something else that may be specific to the .skm files. As well as why does the torso slot model gets changed when a robe that points to an empty materials.mes entry (that have no overriding meshes defined at all) is equipped, when other slots (like helmets) work completely fine, and is there any way around that?

 

Have you looked at cloaks? They seem to work fine with armor, but there are clipping issues with robes.

 

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alternative possibilty but I dont know if this works yet
create a script that over-rides the equipment, via on-equip item
for python
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obj_f_npc_add_mesh
game.obj_set_int(obj_f_npc_add_mesh, *MeshID_TAG_HERE)

suedo
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if equipment ROBE is equiped == TRUE?
AND on-equip is AMOR
---over-ride the Addmesh to Amor being equiped---
game.obj_set_int(obj_f_npc_add_mesh, *MeshID_TAG_HERE)
----------Resets current animation with update------------------
game.obj_set_int(obj_f_animation_handle, 0)



You don't need to make as dummy un-animated SKM mesh file.

I have made it possible to modify skm meshes that are fully animated, including monsters, amors, cloths, weapons. Then import the conversion back into the game fully animated.

The SKMTOOLSET makes it possible to edit,convert any MESH in the game, with any bone count.


the XVDragons are a perfect example of this.
It is a Modified hydra, with one head, added wings, re-sculpted SKM, that is in fact fully animated in-Game.

the Robes are an ADD mesh to the over-lay of the humanoid model,
this does pose a problem for your idea,

because Amor is also addmesh, and the robes SLOT , over-rides any armor addmesh currently being rendered on the Body.

what you are refering to, sounds like you would need an addmesh to overlad another addmesh.

So I would imagine that hiding a Robe in the fasion you suggest would be improbable or not possible.

 

YES! I came to the same exact conclusion just now. I figured out part of the solution already.
Setting the robe to an empty non-overriding material.mes DOES work, and it doesn't actually remove the armor mesh, just the armors' addmeshes!

The robe doesn't have any addmeshes when its material is pointing to an empty material entry. The game doesn't know to look for them, since the reserved entries are empty without any addmesh id's. It just hides the addmeshes of equipped torso slot. It looks like it's hardcoded for the robe slot, it doesn't actually overwrite the armor's addmeshes, just hides them.

This explains the weird phenomena i couldn't figure out why the armor mesh looked different with a robe set to an empty material and that doesn't get displayed on character.

Okay, so.
1) Set robe to a reserved for one of the reserved slots for no equipment, and..
2) I either have to make all clothing garbs a single .skm without any addmeshes,
or somehow use your code above to get the current equipped clothing/garb's material id and add reapply it again when the robe is equipped via script.

Question. How do I implement the script for an on equip event?
Do i need python on windows to compile it or does the game does everything?

 

UPDATE: can't get it to work.
garb = game.party[0].item_find_by_proto(6211)
obj_f_base_mesh doesn't work, obj_f_base_anim doesn't work

the only thing that works for my garb variable is obj_f_item_material_slot . It does, in fact, indeed change the model of the armor. However, with the invisible robe equipped ,obj_f_npc_add_mesh does nothing

in fact, garb.obj_get_int(obj_f_npc_add_mesh) stays at 0

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Anyway. You know what? thanks.
I think I might just take the time and remap all robes meshes into garbs +/- fitting their name.
In the time I spent trying to figure this out I would have done this 10 times over by now
I just want to play this game dammit. Haven't made it past the intro shop yet.
But all robes look soooooo fugly and don't fit in with my idea of wizards :X

 

Shiningted, those do work if applied to the game.party[x] object though. But not items.
WHen applied to the hero, the hero model stays with the applied mesh forever, and equipping/de-equipping gear does not change appearance anymore.

Gaear, yea, but they have stats like spell resistance that I can't ignore :f
I started to brute force it, it's fine. Thanks for the help

 

Haha. Yea. That's basically what I'm doing, I don't have much time to play on workdays anyway.

And, no, there are no magical robes in the test shop. I found all robes in the proto editor, some have nice stats ^^ I checked them out by adding them through the console.

That robe with huge golden stars on it (archmagi?) was the final culprit that made me start this silly quest

 

I did this a while back by simple changing the Object Model Mesh ID to that of ring, since the ring won't show up on the pc visually. I also needed to blank out the proto entry Item Material Slot which works in tandem with the mesh to control some articles of clothing. Works like a charm.

These 2 changes are completely visual, and don't affect the game rules at all; as far as the game is concerned the item is still a cloak. The item flag OIF_WEAR_CLOAK is still set, and the inventory icon will still display as a cloak. The only aberration is that if the cloak is dropped, it will appear as a ring on the ground instead of a folded up pile of cloth (small price ).

My reason for doing this was to create cloaks of resistance (+1 thru +5) that are not seen. After a certain level, when everyone has a cloak of resistance, the characters just become cloaked figures and kind of lose their visual uniqueness (defined by their hair, skin, clothing/armor, boots, etc.) and they just become generically colored cloaked figures; where you see the fighter as the red-cloak, the wizard as the purple cloak, the rogue as the black-cloak and so on.

I think you can apply this to anything you want to wear that you don't want to see displayed on your character. My initial attempt to make the cloaks tga file transparent did make the cloak transparent, but the hair was still affected by the mesh, even when invisible.

 

Very clever; is it alright with you if I add that as a crafting option in my items mod? I will credit you for the idea, of course.

 

For the reference of those reading this in the future, to get marc1967's suggestion to work, I had to change the Mesh ID to a ring, and blank out the Color entry, not the Material entry, which you can leave as mat_cloth without problems.

Still, very cool. Adventurers are getting more stylish every day.