Co8 7.0?

Well we knew it was likely, but still a little sad on the news. I know that the time is needed to flush out the bugs and all, so will buck up and play a new round of 6.1 while I wait.

Thanks for the news Gaear.

 

For me the game experience is more important than the ego sheet, and reducing experience points gained from new content will make the battles more challenging - as my PCs will be much less overpowered.

 

Hey Gaear.

First off, does CR reflect or change how difficult the opponent is actually in battle?

And, if it only affects exp gained, definately lower. I think the biggest areas to lower CR is the drow fight in the moathouse respawn quest. And the drow fights in the gnome underground at Verbo NEED lowering, they all give way too much EXP for the time (level 10-12) that I get there.

I think if you could lower it enough to where you can't level up overpoweredly and the game is hard still, but there are enough chances in the long run to get to level 20, then you've got it perfect.

 

FWIW, you could argue the CRs should be lower than their RAW values, because:
1. Many monsters still lack special abilities they're supposed to have
2. The computer AI is dumber than real GMs
3. Game lacks many ambushes and other situational surprises.

But, even without the above, I'd still be in favor.

It is also a better method than reducing the global XP factor by e.g. 1/2, because that would make the early game perhaps too difficult.

So all in all :thumbsup:

P.S.
I am reminded of the Temple bugbears, which, in the protos.tab overhaul, received character levels instead of arbitrary HD (in Vanilla they had arbitrary HD). This automatically bumps their CR (because CR = CL + CR modifier), while they are hardly as tough as their CR would suggest: e.g. the bugbear leaders and bugbear #14174, they are rated CR 10 + 2 = 12 which is 1 CR above the Vrock and 1 CR shy of the Hezrou and Glabrezu.
I think it's very much justified to bring them down a notch or two, as well.

 

In that case, yes, I definitely think you should reduce all NC areas in XP amount then.

 

Good thinking Gaear, less xp and less gold so you can't buff up too much at the bazaar of the bizarre.
I for some reason I always do that and it makes the game a bit too easy.

 

As much as I love to power up and have those levels with my various parties, I am the first to admit what others have already said. From the snail pace AI, lack of good tactics on many critters, and the over all power you can accumulate in a short amount of time, I will go ahead and say lower the CR and we can see how well the XP race will work out.

 

Agreed, yet if you have a thief - which usually is common - gold isn't a big problem, once you have acquired (read: stolen ^.^) some platinum necklaces or blue sapphires you can sell/steal them endlessly in Hommlet @jeweler. With some points in appraise and ~12 - 14 sapphires you'll get about 10k gold every time...and a thief of lvl 7+ and maxed 'sleight of hand' can only be spotted with a natural 20.

Though XP can be reduced, one of my parties (6 guys) just 'dinged' lvl 8 and I didn't even visited the temple yet, my other progress is moathouse respawn finished and nulb too. And I didn't abused the rest/spawn xp-grinding that often or nearly none at all. Only if I really needed to re-memorize my spells and if there wasn't a safe-spot around.

I guess once I can go shopping on the bazaar, the temple will be kinda joke or most parts of it.

 

Hello, I'm new to ToEE and just wanted to say that after playing a bit vanilla and then trying out Co8 I did notice many changes, not only bug fixes

One of the reason could be that they are still people who prefer just play for the first time (like me) vanilla with just bug fixes, or because they don't fancy fan made content. Many cRPG has (Fallout 1/2, Arcanum, Bloodlines, Planescape, Icewind Dale etc.) have separate bug fixes and restorations/custom content. You already offer a version without most of NC stuff, so why not push it further anyway? even if it suppose to be behind a bit to new versions of Co8, there would be for sure many people happy about such release (like me!).

 

I'm not suggesting anything overly sweeping. Just two protos, really.

He himself admitted the protos overhaul could have contributed to the XP increase - see here:
http://www.co8.org/forum/showpost.php?p=44855&postcount=109

The Greater Temple bugbears were the boldest example of that, from what I recall. (another good example is the Werewolves, but their new CR is well deserved, while still not being overly high)

Those are actually the bugbears I'm talking about - the Greater Temple Bugbear Leaders (proto #14346 - they're FTR 10 in Co8), along with Greater Temple Bugbear proto# 14174 (FTR 4 ROG 6 in Co8).
There's also a quite a few on level 4 (8x #14174, 2x #14346), level 2 (3x #14174 in the big bugbear room, 1x #14174 next to the prisoners), and 1-2 in the new Smigmal/Falrinth scenario.

Now, sure, they are tough, and deserve a high CR - but how high is too high? As I said, those two protos get a CR of 12, which is more than the Vrock (CR 11). Do they deserve to be considered tougher than the Vrock? I don't think so. CR 10 sounds more like it. All it takes is to tweak the CR modifier in the protos.tab, from 2 to 0 (or 1 if you want to be more modest about the change, bringing them down to CR 11). And keep in mind, there's about 20 of them in the game!

Do we have any stats on 3.0.4 downloads?