About killing Iuz

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  1. smg225

    smg225 Gyro Captain

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    Right now those toee gods (Ted especially) are busy building a new world, KOTB--& the kind of .dll hacking such a thing would entail is, I'm pretty certain, beyond any currently-active modder's ability, outside (perhaps?) of Spellslinger. So I'd surmise this is a case of 'do it if you want it' if you can. A guy named Bradwinri (sic) was working on it a while back and then kind of disappeared, search for his stuff for any tips he may have left behind.
     
  2. Alaric Rising

    Alaric Rising Sir Balovershagnasty

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    Yeah, I kinda figured. Believe me, I have no desire to come off demanding and steal them away from that project. Just a spot of whimsical dreaming on my part. Perhaps I'll work up .dll-ing and see how long it takes me to sack the project.
     
  3. Shiningted

    Shiningted I want my goat back Administrator

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    I think trying to add new character classes drove ol' Brad insane - a common outcome for our .dll hackers ;)

    For the record, I would regard "nuetral good paladins", "chaotic nuetral paladins" etc as an abomination. Paladins are LG, thats who and what they are. A diametrically opposed anti-paladin I can understand, the rest is just so much jibberish. Has no-one ever noticed that there are no religious orders in the name of secular philosophies? There are communes etc, to be sure, but someone on a commune or kibutz is as different to a monk as a paladin is to a ranger or druid. You don't just transfer the one to another: they're completely different. A CG, NG, TN etc paladin is as loony as an LG druid of Heironeous.

    Just my opinionated position, others are just as valid. But i won't be making them in a hurry, even as NPCs (note: KotB features a crusading Legionnaire of Hextor, but he is not envisioned as an anti-paladin. No relation).
     
  4. Alaric Rising

    Alaric Rising Sir Balovershagnasty

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    Heh. Good to know. Sacked as of now...wow, didn't take long at all. Now I can free up that time for drinking :drunk: ! Actually, just wanted an excuse to use that smiley.
     
  5. smg225

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    I'm sorry--I didn't mean to suggest you sounded demanding, it's actually something I've seen a number of people ask for and I was just kind of hurrying the conversation along to (what seemed to me) its inevitable conclusion. I also really didn't mean to talk for anybody--I'm just repeating a common theme.

    Incidentally, if it (i.e. the inclusion of some new classes) WERE to be done, I actually get the impression it would make a lot of people happy. If you're serious about "work up .dll-ing" you would become a major hero round here. Which (again) isn't meant to say you should! It's just saying.
     
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    ShadowDragoon Advocate of Vengence

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    I agree with that completely. I myself have seen several people around (including myself) asking "When the new classes will be put in." A week from never was the answer, which made quite a few people angry. So, if it could be done, whoever would figure out how, they would worship at his feet. Literally, most likely.
     
  7. Lord_Spike

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    Perhaps not, but I think he'd make a perfect Cavalier. It's like the very definition of what an evil knight would be.

    EDIT: In the Great Kingdom of Aerdy, far to the east, they have an order known as the Demonic Knights of Doom...but these guys actually have demonic powers, ranks, etc., and are far more powerful than mere cavaliers.
     
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  8. Alaric Rising

    Alaric Rising Sir Balovershagnasty

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    Don't know. Anything with the moniker, "of doom," sounds a tad silly/cliche/trite...but of course, imho. I personally like Demonic Knights of Mostly Fiendish Qualities! Can't be having absolutes in D&D, oh no.
     
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    You do realize that the Overking is quite mad, don't you?
     
  10. Firesprung

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    Funny - I actually remember the old, old Dragon Mag detailing the other alignment "champions" and all were distinctly listed NOT as Paladins, but as their own class.

    Also, please note Thrommel hails from the lawful good kingdom(s) of Veluna and Furondy, so Paladin or "Paladin Lord" (one in the same IMO) he is lawful good, and his sword's alignment was most definitely prescribed by way of a typo!
     
  11. Lord_Spike

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    Those old magazines had lots of unofficial classes in them, including Samurai, Ninja, Anti-paladins, etc. Cavaliers were there, too, as a pre-release of the Unearthed Arcana in 1985. My issues begin around the low #40's, and go through the early 100's - along with the first 3 copies of the "Best Of", with every ooold class you can imagine. Only the stuff slated for the UA release was "official" in nature. Cavaliers are their own class, albeit a sub-class of Fighters, and Paladins are a sub-class of cavalier. Cavaliers had more abilites (& restrictions) than fighters, and paladins were even more so; if they fell, they were still cavaliers.
     
  12. Firesprung

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    But Paladins were a sub class of the fighter class (as was the ranger) before the cavalier was introduced. I'm referring to the player's hb and the dmg (before UA was written.)
     
  13. Typhon

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    personally i feel paladins are unecessary and all too frequently make PCs in dnd games ive played a hassle roleplay/diplomacy/creativity wise, the class doesnt make sense to me, paladins dont do anything a combat cleric couldnt, they just need to make some crusading/opposed alignment combating domains and youd be all set

    of course i may be jaded because i always lean towards the evil alignments, and on occasion i dive headfirst with a running start, and i play with a guy who ALWAYS makes a paladin because he cant figure out how to deal good melee damage without smiting so i always have to creep around his moral code and we eventually have some party destroying conflict
     
  14. Shiningted

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    My old hi-school pnp group had one guy who always played a paladin, wouldn't matter if the rest of the party were assassins, but he was never annoying about it, just the quiet religious fanatic type (who very quickly made new friends I might add ;) ).

    Anyways, my school was selective (the cream of the crop, don't u know) and in later years this guy won a state-wide chemistry thing (or something) and got on the radio. By now the religious zeal was in full flower and he was quite seriously planning on spending his life evangelising: hence the following exchange on public radio:

    DJ: So Drew, what are you planning on doing after high school?

    Drew: Well, I want to be a missionary if I can get into the position...

    I kid you not, thats what he said, word for word.

    Last I saw of him was some years later when he was all packed to head out to Russia to start evangelising. So there you go.
     
  15. Typhon

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    haha nice, most of my friends and i are so blasphemous only the most saintlike or open minded semi-apathetic christians could ever tolerate us, evangelizing would only make us have to turn up our death metal :D

    AND YET ONE STILL ALWAYS PLAYS A PALADIN AAAAAAARG why cant he have the zest for evil in dnd
     
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