Cant Scribe High Level Spells?

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  1. sonofliberty

    sonofliberty Established Member

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    I have 2 mages in the group, and they have been sharing spells. However, I cannot scribe 6th level or higher spells. Is this a glitch?
     
  2. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    I'm not aware of any issues with that.
     
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    sonofliberty Established Member

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    Spells like circle of death, for example, don't even show up on the list of spells my mage can scribe.
     
  4. phlippy g

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    I thought that like potion's and wand's.There was an upper limit that "mere mortal's"(pc's) could scribe.
     
  5. sirchet

    sirchet Force for Goodness Moderator Supporter

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    According to the SRD you can scribe any spell that you know, although you must have the gold and xp to spend while making it.

    Here's what it says about the feat Scribe Scroll, exactly; You can create a scroll of any spell that you know. Scribing a scroll takes one day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. The base price of a scroll is its spell level × its caster level × 25 gp. To scribe a scroll, you must spend 1/25 of this base price in XP and use up raw materials costing one-half of this base price.

    I think the higher level scribing was not taken into consideration when the content was added that raises the PC levels past the default level of 10 the game was first designed to be.

    I see that a lot of work went into adding and fleshing out the higher level spells, (which is freaking awesome!) but I doubt the scribe scroll aspect was considered.

    This hasn't affected the creation of wands due to the 4th level spell and lower restriction placed on this feat by the SRD.
     
  6. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    Okay, in order to be able to scribe a spell, there has to be a proto for that scroll in protos.tab. This hasn't always been reliably done for our custom spells - for example, I see that there's no scroll of Circle of Death. However, it has been done for some, so I don't think you're experiencing a defect wherein the mechanism somehow stops working for high level spells.

    Looking at our custom spells, I see the following don't have scroll protos:

    Circle of Death
    Dispel Magic, Greater
    Eyebite
    Undeath to Death
    Hold Person, Mass
    Insanity
    Power Word Blind
    Charm Monster, Mass
    Horrid Wilting
    Polar Ray
    Power Word Stun
    Hold Monster, Mass
    Power Word Kill
    Heroes' Feast
    Blasphemy
    Holy Word
    Miracle
    Warp Wood

    So is it possible that it's only among these that you've failed?

    We'll add them at any rate. Thanks for the heads-up, I probably would never have thought to check.
     
  7. sirchet

    sirchet Force for Goodness Moderator Supporter

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    Fantastic, do you think these will be in 7.3.4?

    Or is it going straight to 7.4?
     
  8. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    It will be 7.4 at the earliest.
     
  9. sonofliberty

    sonofliberty Established Member

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    Thanks Gaear. It does seem to be only those spells.
     
  10. marc1967

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    Is there a reason the scroll of Miracle was made to cost an additional 25,000 gp more than the base cost of 3825 gp? The full cost is currently 28,825 gp.
     
  11. Gaear

    Gaear Bastard Maestro Administrator

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    No reason I can recall specifically.
     
  12. erkper

    erkper Bugbear Monk Supporter

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    Would it have to do with the material component effect? I've never looked at how it is implemented in ToEE but the SRD says if it is used to replicate another spell which has a high cost material component, you have to provide that component. (In ToEE terms, pay the gp cost of it.)
     
  13. Allyx

    Allyx Master Crafter Global Moderator Supporter

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    If it were, the cost would have to be paid on a spell by spell basis depending on the cost of the chosen spell, not an arbitrary and pricey cost for any spell using this method.
     
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