3.5 Touch spells

I doubt I could even imagine in my wildest dreams the scripting that you are attempting to create.

I was just testing an inflictor cleric/rogue/monk and sneak attack works normally with Flurry; however, I just noticed that inflict_wounds can be cast at range! (I had already noticed that Cure_wounds performed that way - too generous). I have a feeling that this is one of those things that cannot be corrected. And....I also noticed that I could not Magic Weapon my monks hands (or gloves!). Of course, I could just be doing something wrong.

I doubt it, but I do wonder if it would be possible to have touch spells discharge when a multi-class monk uses Stunning Fist, rather than just his regular unarmed strike/Flurry.

Good luck, chief!

 

The gloves (gauntlets?) may be a bug, but Improved Unarmed Strike makes the monk do lethal damage, which means the game treats the monk as armed. However, the monk is still *unarmed* in fact, so the Druid spell Magic Fang may be required instead if Magic Weapon.

Magic Fang (S) -- the druid overbites his bottom lip and crooks his index and middle fingers in the form of a rabbit's buck teeth.

--thearioch

 

SRD:
A monk’s unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons.

 

Ok. I have modified posts 26 & 29 in this thread to make a few corrections and additions. I just learned that crits and sneak attacks DO apply to spells like Contagion and Ray of Enfeeblement. COOL!!

 

You're right about that, but you should therefore remove the Ray of Enfeeblement and Ray of Clumsiness spells from your list ... neither does any sort of damage (they provide a penalty, see above) and therefore critical hits and sneak attacks wouldn't apply.

 

Grinner, read it again; there is mention that ability penalty spells can have sneak attack apply, but not crits. This was a specific example in Complete Arcane.

Ted, YOU THE MAN!!

 

@Ted, thank you for the update. I agree that something is better than nothing and I am confident that at some point in the near future a revelation will hit you to handle the unfinished part.

The following ranged touch spells qualify for both sneak attacks and critical damage unless mentioned otherwise.

Searing Light - ranged
Produce Flame - ranged and touch
Acid Splash - ranged
Ray of Frost - ranged
Ray of Enfeeblement - ranged; sneak ok, no crits
Melf's Acid Arrow - ranged; sneak ok, crit doubles only first round damage
Ray of Clumsiness - ranged; sneak ok, no crits
Disintegrate - ranged
Fire Seeds (Acorn Grenades) - ranged
Sunbeam - ranged
Scorching Ray - ranged; critical, sneak attack, and P.B. shot can only apply to first ray
Enervation - ranged
Polar Ray - ranged
Energy Drain - ranged

If for example an acid arrow gets a crit, the acid damage is doubled (on the first round only). If it qualifies for a sneak attack, the extra damage is also acid damage.

In the case of spells or effects that deal energy drain (e.g. enervation) or ability damage (but not ability penalty), the critical doubles the effect (beware wights and wraiths, etc...).

If these types of attacks, or one that results in an ability penalty (e.g. ray of enfeeblement), qualify for a sneak attack, then the extra damage is negative energy damage.

Regarding Concealment (Blur, Displacement, Blink): Any concealment prevents Sneak Attacks! I only stumbled on that due to this research. I have yet to notice how this issue plays out in ToEE.

 

I thought I'd resurrect this thread to see if any other geniuses out there have any idea what can be done to implement this part of 3.5 rules to the game.

 

I have some questions about melee touch attack spells.

There seem to be two ways that melee touch attack spells are implemented in the game:

1. The spell's range is Personal.

Chill Touch
Dispel Evil
Ghoul Touch
Shocking Grasp
Vampiric Touch

First, when the spell is cast it look like it fizzles, but the spell actually appears above your portrait waiting to be discharged. The spell will stay available forever until it is discharged, or another melee touch spell is cast.

Then, on your any turn you can use it from the wheel and select a target (Combat --> Offense --> Discharge Touch Attack), and this point a melee touch attack is made.
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2. The spell's range is 'Touch'

Inflict Wounds
Poison
Slay Living

The caster never actually makes a melee touch attack, it is essentially a spell with range of 0.​

So, some questions/observations:

1. Is there a way to allow the personal spells from category 1 be used the turn they are cast, instead of waiting until the next turn to discharge it? Would making those spells a Free Action work?

2. Regarding the second category, could some sort of attack be scripted during the OnSpellEffect() processing, to make a simulated melee touch attack on the target before activating the effect of the spell?

3. Vampiric touch is currently screwey because while it uses the discharge method of casting the spell, the rules file makes the spell Touch instead of Personal, and allows it to target others. This is confusing when you cast it...

- it will fizzle if you target your enemy, wasting the spell.

- also, you can actually target your friend which will give them the ability to discharge the spell as an attack. Actually kind of neat. =P

Recommend making this spell personal like Chill Touch and Ghoul Touch, unless I am missing something.

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As far as I know this already works, you just click on the target right after casting. Maybe you have 'end turn after default action' enabled?
As for simulating melee touch attack, there's the perform_touch_attack function, though it might be internally flagged as a ranged attack. I recall messing quite a bit with it for Temple+. Likewise for Vampiric touch which was quite clusterfucky.

 

Ug, I was always going to the radial selection after the casting the spell. The green was drained from my hourglass thing, and the radial selection was in red so it was unusable. I never just thought to click on the guy, thanks.

Vampiric Touch works fine (other than the not giving you HPs thing), once the casting is set to Personal like Shocking Grasp. It also does 1d6 + caster level, instead of 1d6 + 1d6 per two level. Ok so it is all messed up hehe.

Also, since I was unaware enough to miss the touch attack thing, am I missing something with Dispel Evil and Dispel Water? The touch attack never dispels any creature, even though it allows you to go through the motion of making the attack. I've tried it on a bevy of creatures like Quasit, Vrock, etc. for Dispel Evil. And Water Elemental, Water Snake for Dispel Water.

The only thing it seems to do is give you the +4 deflection bonus, which oddly applies to any creature at all in the case of Dispel Air/earth/fire/water.