North Korea is threatening nuclear war again

This has been an interesting thread. At the risk of being laughed out of the forum, I am going to throw something in the pot.

I had an Iranian western civ prof in college. Very knowledgeable, could tell you intimate details about the relationships between the leaders of various countries.

He believed that WWII, perhaps even earlier wars, was actually a war between the light and the dark. It was well known that Hitler relied upon an astrologer. This prof said Hitler also performed secret magic rituals as well, blood rituals. Blood rituals are generally black magic rituals. Most of England and the US's leaders have been members of the Masonic Order (don't think Kennedy was though). Churchill belonged to the only surviving Druid organization. The Druids and the Masonic Order are generally believed to be aligned with the light (or perhaps in the case of the Masonic Order, give rise to splinter groups who were).

And...he said most of the big European wars all resulted due to the actions of members of one royal family...even Hitler's rise to power was due to this family's actions.

Interesting? Silly?

 

I wonder which order of clerics and noblemen the leaders of the Koreas belong to.

 

So, Oliver Stone. He recently made a public statement that has the whole world up in arms. He stated that Hitler did much more damage to the russians than the jews. Lol. He's getting torn up in the news.

If that was the case, why didn't he make a movie called Dostoyevsky's List instead of Schindler's List?

 

It looks like north korea's nuclear war is going to start this weekend. More importantly, who will they shoot at? Duluth, MN is a major shipping lane but I don't think we have a bearing on north korea's sovereignty. I hope they shoot wherever VISA headquarters are.

North korea vows nuclear response to military games
KHQ-TV
updated 7/27/2010 12:34:23 PM ET

SEOUL, South Korea - Joint U.S. and South Korean military exercises are again drawing warnings of a response from Pyongyang

North Korea says the exercises set to begin this weekend amount to a military provocation that will draw a "powerful" nuclear response from Pyongyang. North Korea routinely threatens war when South Korea and the U.S. hold joint military drills, which Pyongyang sees as a rehearsal for an attack on the North.

The latest threat comes amid increased tensions on the peninsula over the deadly sinking of South Korean warship that Seoul and Washington blame on North Korea. North Korea vehemently denies any involvement in the sinking and says any punishment will trigger war.

The nuclear-powered USS George Washington supercarrier is already docked in the southern port of Busan for the military games set to begin Sunday.

 

I don't think N Korea actually has any weapons that can reach North America.
But then again I might be wrong.

The SS actually created artifacts to prove their link to a mythical arrian past.
Hitler did indeed believe in astrology.

 

I have to scratch my head reading Necro's posts in this thread; are you mostly kidding or do you really enjoy making a fool out of yourself publicly?

 

Ithildur let's keep this civil everyone is entitled to his opinion.
Necro does his best to cast light into the dark reccesses of the human soul most of us would never visit unaccompanied.


On Hitlers plan for the death of everyone in Eastern Europe.
There is a record of him explaining to his Generals that although his plan might seem harsh it was just the way nature works.

 

Well, I don't live in a world where everything must be seen as a serious heavy issue. Humans everywhere on this planet are exceptionally ignorant. I look around and see what people think are important and these things are really the most unimportant things in the world. Until people evolve and get some common sense, I will always be there to make light of their views. Intelligent people are very much the minority in the world, leaving dumbasses everywhere to ruin and run down everyone's way of life. In light of this, how can any self respecting person take anything that goes on in this world seriously? All you can do is sit back, have a coke and watch the circus go by. It's much preferable than letting plebians rent space in your head. Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. This whole north korea hogwash is just one of those most ridiculous things that needs to be made fun of.

Kick back, relax and have a coke, on me. :beer:

 

The CVN George Washington Carrier Task Force probably has more and longer ranged firepower than the entire NK war machine. I know it has more nukes.

 

And it could easily destroy what nukes North Korea did have, and any leadership willing to use them, before anyone north of the 38th parallel knew what was happening.

 

Yes we are, and adult people should respect other's points of view, even if they disagree. And sometimes pressing my point of view can be considered offence. So I do not press. until it is with my chief. (That is why my salary goes down with every passing month, hehehe.)
Actually, I always remember that there is a probability that I am wrong (small, but still...)
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Yes, I think GA made a mistake here and mixed WWII losses with Stalin's terror losses. Except that losses of Soviet Union in WWII are 27 million people (not all were Russians, but larger part of them were), of which 8 millions are military men, others are civilians, mostly killed in occupation zones. Very sad.

When it comes to incompetence, it must be noted that Germany's losses were considerably smaller. But military men losses in fighting are almost equal, what makes difference are captured military men losses (in German captivity they died, in Soviet captivity they survived) and civilian losses in occupation (The same pattern).
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I must confess that I am evil, because I can name at least one region I wish to be totally devastated.

Probably true, because all European royalty were and are close relatives.

Well, actually if we try to destroy someone with nukes, we harm ourselves as much, but later in time. Because radioactive pollutions from a nuke spread all over the world. And it causes genetic anomalies. Some scientists think nuclear weapons tests and nuclear cycle factories are causing a large part of recent increase in that. Of course, environment pollution with non-radioactive things also plays a role. If we calculate costs of, say nuking NK to dust, but consider also the cost of damage to health of our people, we will see that it is better to give every North Korean 1 million dollars. (The figure is actually random, it may well be 10 million, 100 million or more, because damage from RA pollution carries over to the future a long way.)

 

Nukes? We don need no stinkin' nukes... One or two flights of Nighthawks with GPS guided bunkerbusters followed by a wave of cruise missiles would take out their nuke production facilities and their political infrastructure.

No muss, no fuss.

 

The threat of war with korea ended as of July 26th at midnight, when Starcraft II came out. They forgot about the whole thing because they didn't want their whole way of life interrupted. Running around looking for anything white to wave in the air severely cuts into gaming time.

 

The "fuss" will follow when we will have another country overrun by local bandits due to lack of legal authority. then they would proclaim themselves "Presidents", and "Prime Ministers", and "Revered Judges", and "All North Korean Nation Legitimate Parliament", and then all the North Korea will be breeding ground for religious (or non-religious) fanatics who will crawl out of it and bomb us, civilized men.

(Of course, I do not say that now Korea is not civilized. it is. After all, it was civilized long ago already. They invented armoured battleship back in the middle age for example.)

P.S. I advise against "taking out nuke production sites with cruise missiles" - if the sites would be really nuke producing, we will have the same problem with radioactive pollution as we would have if we were using nukes ourselves.

P.P.S. I did not mean you proposed using nukes. From the very beginning.

[EDIT] See below this post.
Well, GuardianAngel82, if you are sure about that 20, this means I need to consult historical documents. I will inform you about my progress, if there will be any.

 

I'm uncomfortable "taking someone out" for what they MIGHT do. I prefer we wait until they do something and respond to that, or act based on what they have already done in the past.

Nukes are not necessary, and their insiduous poisons DO spread far on the winds and last for generations.

North Korea's economy and military capabilites can be taken out with a fairly short campaign of air strikes and special operations. But as Sergio as pointed out, North Korea with then degenerate into a lawless burden for those involved. South Korea and others would have to take over and run the country ala Iraq.

On another topic, the Soviet Union's losses in WWII were Hitler's fault. The 20 million I was referring to were killed in "peacetime".