New content removal mod/patch

If I may weigh in - no. Adding the new content of the shop map to the 'no new content' patch is almost certainly asking for trouble.

Unless Sitra has set it up otherwise, which of course he is perfectly at rights to do so.

 

Aurelinus. Seriously. Suggestions and 'idea men' are a dime a dozen. Anybody can come in here and tell us that we're doing this or that wrong, or that we should instead do this and that this or that way. If you really want to add some value to the discussion, tell us how we should do it differently, and I mean nuts and bolts 'how.'

You've made some criticisms on things being 'unnecessary,' so please tell us how to eliminate these steps. I assume that since you presume to offer the critique, you have some game and engine knowledge that could help us with workarounds ... even though the guy who built this alternative patch is probably one of the most skilled scripters Co8 has ever had. But do tell us how that is to be done. A steps 1 - 100 format would be nice, and be sure to cover all the technical aspects that would enable us to easily disassemble 5 years worth of modding that was never intended to exist independantly as bugfix only content and new custom content. After that, please dictate how we should allocate resources to accomlish this task. I assume, for example, that we should suspend development of KotB and further mods for ToEE in favor of fixing this up for you? Right then, give us a schedule and job listing. Even better, show us how to do it all with a patch of your own. We'd all be eager to see it.

Do you believe we erred in not separating the different forms of content from the beginning? Fair enough, I think that's a legitimate complaint. But bear in mind that there is no longtime CEO at Co8 championing a unified vision for all to abide by. Never has been. Co8 is and always has been simply a group of fan modders who like to fiddle with and hopefully improve the game. Within that context, who are you to tell us what we should and shouldn't have been working on all this time, for free and with the ultimate objective being our own personal enjoyment?

A few other things ...

First, these remarks like "some ppl don't tolerate independent opinions" are just plain bogus. When have we not tolerated your opinion? The fact that you are alive and posting this right now is testimony to the fact that we do tolerate everyone's opinion. If you have some evidence to the contrary, please post references to it here. And no, disagreements with your opinion don't count as intolerance.

Second, I quite frankly dislike your tone and attitude. We have a lot of members here who offer critiques and opinions on our mods, and they're not all loyalists and committed fans. And yet most of them do it in a constructive manner, and we often listen to them and implement their suggestions. They become very valuable contributers to the community. You on the other hand say things like "moron quest" and "nothing interesting for the original story." Are those valid opinions? Certainly. Could you state them in more diplomatic tones? Just as certainly, and yet you don't, as though you have some deliberate hope of injuring us with your words. That is rather shameful, considering we've given you everything here for free. The least you could do in return is treat us with a modicum of respect.

Lastly, re: the Dominatrix 'quest,' since you felt the need to attack it here specifically, I'll defend it here specifically. That is of course not a quest at all, but a reputation, and a very difficult one to attain at that. Kudos to you for getting to that point, but why must you malign it that way? Couldn't you say "I thought the Dominatrix reputation was in poor taste," or even just leave it at "I didn't like it?" Instead, you bash it, which, given the likelihood that not a lot of people have even seen it yet, is basically just injurious. They may now think "Oh no, I don't want to see it" based on your reckless testimony. I personally was rather happy with that rep btw, being as I felt it addressed a common suspicion players often have about Burne, namely that he may be a little light in the shoes in one way or another. To each his own, but while I'll accept your asthetic criticisms of it, please don't suggest that it wasn't executed properly or is technically faulty in some way. That is factually incorrect. If you care to debate the more subtle nuances of it and perhaps make a case for why Burne would so clearly not act in that fashion under any circumstances, I'd love to hear it. But please post it in another thread.

Basil the Timid offered you some suggestions on how to more properly conduct yourself here so we can 'all get along' in the CMF Discussion thread. I suggest you re-read them and try to take them to heart.

That is all for now.

 

I'm pretty sure that would be bad. The default stuff needs to stay there to be, well, the default.

 

Sorry Basil, I don't know what you're asking there.

 

No, don't do that. Install with front end. Choosing to install FE just adds the FE executable to your ToEE root directory and structures the folders to be module compliant.

Sorry again, concentration is way off today. Maybe somebody a little bit better plugged in can provide assistance. :blank: