Condition - Monster Melee Poison

How condition Monster Melee Poison works in ToEE (both Vanilla and T+).

If "Monster Melee Poison" is present in Monster conditions (proto fields) then new condition instance will be created each time victim is hit by the Monster. The condition takes one parameter (arg0: poisonId).

ToEE Vanilla has hard-coded table of Poison Specifications (36) with following data:

Code:

30 : Arsenic
DC:    13
Initial Damage:    1 Con
Secondary Damage:    1d8 Con
 
8 : Black Adder
DC:    12
Initial Damage:    None
Secondary Damage:    1d6 Str
 
14 : Black Lotus Extract
DC:    20
Initial Damage:    3d6 Con
Secondary Damage:    3d6 Con
 
3 : Blood Root
DC:    12
Initial Damage:    None
Secondary Damage:    1d4 Con + 1d3 Wis
 
25 : Blue Whinnis
DC:    14
Initial Damage:    1 Con
Secondary Damage:    Unconsciousness
 
19 : Burnt Othur Fumes
DC:    18
Initial Damage:    1 Con
Secondary Damage:    3d6 Con
 
13 : Carrion Crawler Brain Juice
DC:    13
Initial Damage:    Paralyze
Secondary Damage:    None
 
18 : Dark Reaver Powder
DC:    18
Initial Damage:    2d6 Con
Secondary Damage:    1d6 Con + 1d6 Str
 
27 : Deathblade
DC:    20
Initial Damage:    1d6 Con
Secondary Damage:    2d6 Con
 
10 : Dragon Bile
DC:    26
Initial Damage:    3d6 Str
Secondary Damage:    None
 
33 : Error! Missing line 333 in tpmes//combat.mes
DC:    0
Initial Damage:    None
Secondary Damage:    None
 
34 : Error! Missing line 334 in tpmes//combat.mes
DC:    10
Initial Damage:    Con + Dex
Secondary Damage:    Con + Dex
 
35 : Error! Missing line 335 in tpmes//combat.mes
DC:    4
Initial Damage:    Wis + 2d127 Wis
Secondary Damage:    126d127+255 Wis + Con
 
7 : Giant Wasp
DC:    18
Initial Damage:    1d6 Dex
Secondary Damage:    1d6 Dex
 
1 : Greenblood Oil
DC:    13
Initial Damage:    1 Con
Secondary Damage:    1d2 Con
 
15 : Id Moss
DC:    14
Initial Damage:    1d4 Int
Secondary Damage:    2d6 Int
 
32 : Insanity Mist
DC:    15
Initial Damage:    1d4 Wis
Secondary Damage:    2d6 Wis
 
5 : Large Scorpion
DC:    18
Initial Damage:    1d6 Str
Secondary Damage:    1d6 Str
 
17 : Lich Dust
DC:    17
Initial Damage:    2d6 Str
Secondary Damage:    1d6 Str
 
9 : Malyss Root Paste
DC:    16
Initial Damage:    1 Dex
Secondary Damage:    2d4 Dex
 
23 : Mystical
DC:    0
Initial Damage:    1d10 Con
Secondary Damage:    1d10 Con
 
28 : Nitharit
DC:    13
Initial Damage:    None
Secondary Damage:    3d6 Con
 
29 : Oil of Taggit
DC:    15
Initial Damage:    None
Secondary Damage:    Unconsciousness
 
24 : Other
DC:    0
Initial Damage:    None
Secondary Damage:    None
 
4 : Purple Worm
DC:    24
Initial Damage:    1d6 Str
Secondary Damage:    1d6 Str
 
20 : Quasit
DC:    13
Initial Damage:    1d4 Dex
Secondary Damage:    2d4 Dex
 
11 : Sassone Leaf Residue
DC:    16
Initial Damage:    2d12 HP
Secondary Damage:    1d6 Con
 
26 : Shadow Essence
DC:    17
Initial Damage:    1 Str
Secondary Damage:    2d6 Str
 
0 : Small Centipede
DC:    11
Initial Damage:    1d2 Dex
Secondary Damage:    1d2 Dex
 
2 : Spider Venom
DC:    14
Initial Damage:    1d4 Str
Secondary Damage:    1d6 Str
 
16 : Striped Toadstool
DC:    11
Initial Damage:    1 Wis
Secondary Damage:    2d6 Wis + 1d4 Int
 
12 : Terinav Root
DC:    16
Initial Damage:    1d6 Dex
Secondary Damage:    2d6 Dex
 
31 : Ungol Dust
DC:    15
Initial Damage:    1 Cha
Secondary Damage:    1d6 Cha + 1 Cha
 
21 : Violet Fungi
DC:    14
Initial Damage:    1d4 Str + 1d4 Con
Secondary Damage:    1d4 Str + 1d4 Con
 
6 : Wyvern
DC:    17
Initial Damage:    2d6 Con
Secondary Damage:    2d6 Con
 
22 : Yellow Mold
DC:    15
Initial Damage:    1d6 Con
Secondary Damage:    2d6 Con
 

Interestingly, this table differ a bit with Poisons listed in the help section.

Essentially poison has three main parts:
* DC vs Fortitude check;
* Initial Damage;
* Delayed Damage in 10 rounds.

First PoisonedOnAdd (0x100E9E50) is called, which will do following:
*. Find Poison Specification from the table;
*. Do unconditional initial damage;
*. Check if delay poison is present. If is, then remove poisoned condition.
*. Make Fortitude check;
*. If failed then make conditional initial damage;

Then PoisonedOnBeginRound (0x100EA040) is called each round,and do following:
*. Check if round countdown expired, if not yet then nothing;
*. Check if delay poison is present. If is, then remove poisoned condition.
*. Make Fortitude check;
*. If failed then make delayed damage;
*. In any case remove "poisoned" condition;

Sample of new poison I'm working at:

Code:

{
    "comment": "MONSTROUS CENTIPEDE Tiny, MM287",
    "id": 36,
    "dc": 10,
    "immediateEffect": 1,
    "immNumDie": 0,
    "immDieType": 0,
    "immDieBonus": 1,

    "immediateSecondEffect": -10,
    "immSecDice": {
        "bonus": 0,
        "count": 0,
        "sides": 0
    },

    "delayedEffect": 1,
    "delayedDice": {
        "bonus": 1,
        "count": 0,
        "sides": 0
    },

    "delayedSecondEffect": -10,
    "delayedSecDice": {
        "bonus": 0,
        "count": 0,
        "sides": 0
    }
}

Each damage (initial and delayed) consists of such parts:
*. effect type;
*. damage count, sides and bonus;
*. secondary effect type;
*. secondary damage count, sides and bonus;

Effect type enum:
*. -10: None. Will do nothing.
*. -9: Unconsciousness. Not implemented (funny).
*. -8: Unconditional Paralyze. Meaning no saving throw, simply Paralyze for 2d6 rounds.
*. -7: Unconditional HP damage. Meaning no saving throw, simply make POISON damage.
*.-6 or 0: STR temporary damage.
*.-5 or 1: DEX temporary damage.
*.-4 or 2: CON temporary damage.
*.-3 or 3: INT temporary damage.
*.-2 or 4: WIS temporary damage.
*.-1 or 5: CHA temporary damage.
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Changes in TemplePlus:
* in Initial Damage and Delayed Damage now order is corrected - first saving throw check, then damage if failed;
* paralyze is now d26 minutes, not rounds;
* Implemented Unconsciousness, which was not present before;

 

If one look at the https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Poisons page few algorithm differences arise:
*. Unconsciousness is completely not implemented;
*. Paralysis should stay for 2d6 minutes, not rounds;
*. Some ability damages should be permanent drain, not temporary.

Taking into account, that ability damage effect type can be configured both negative and positive, for example -6 and 0 both point to Strength ability loss, I suspect negative ones were reserved for permanent drain.

 

@anatoliy Is this something @Sitra Achara should mod into Temple+?

 

First of all, this post is knowledge base one. Just stating current implementation of poison in ToEE.

The post is not a complaint to Sitra. And btw, only Sitra can decide what he should or should not do. It's not a job))

We already had discussed with Sitra about that. And I agree that poison improvement is rather low priority.

But because I really want that pesky Centepede to be fully present in the game I volunteered to improve that code in T+. In any case Sitra is Team Leader, and he guides me on that last several days.

Improvement I'm working on is to have poisons.json table to be loaded dynamically. Meaning I will have ability to add Centepede poison to table and finish up the monster prototype.

Sitra will decide if that will go into T+ release and when.

 

As for Unconscious and permanent ability drain.

Personally I think community should decide how much important this feature is.

 

I'd like it if its functionality is in a community-released module, Co8, KotB, Randomizer, or/and otherwise.

 

@Sitra Achara approved changes to Poisons, next T+ release will have them. Thanks Sitra!

New changes for poisons in TemplePlus:
* in Initial Damage and Delayed Damage now order is corrected - first saving throw check, then damage if failed;
* paralyze is now d26 minutes, not rounds;
* Implemented Unconsciousness, which was not present before;
* new poisons for centipede (tiny, small etc).

New poisons for scorpions and spiders in progress.

 

Do you mean 2d6 minutes instead of d26 minutes?

 

Yes, 2d6 minutes

 

What, don't you have a 26 sided dice Allyx?