Protos question

In my current game I had several encounters with monsters that had no loot, but ought to have some according to the RAW (e.g. Troll, Seahag).

When I open the protos tab with the Protos Editor and simply copy the value 125
from line 4249 Ogre, row 044 NPC inventory to 4262 Troll - would then the Troll have the same loot as the Ogre? Or isn´t it that simple?

 

If ProtoEd is obsolete shouldn´t the basic modding tutorial here
http://www.co8.org/forum/showthread.php?t=966
that still links to ProtoEd be changed and the link either removed or an remark added that there is a newer better tool?

That is exactly what I wanted - adding treasure to monsters that had none but according to the RAW ought to have some (e.g. Trolls, Seahag). I already mentioned that in one of the discussion threads but as no reaction came to change it I wanted to see how it works.

That is quite clear. Then it would be better if those changes would be added to the next version of the mod to prevent that.

Looking at protos.tab using Worldbuilder the changes would be to Proto 14262, 14691 and 14279 (first two trolls, last Seahag) and changing the empty field "Container Inventory Source" to 125.

125 is the entry that the Ogre uses and is only some coin and considering the CR of Ogre/Troll/Seahag rather low. But it´s simple and better than empty Trolls/Seahag.

 

I´ve got nothing against treasure-free monsters that are in the RAW in the Monsters Manual listed with treasure: none (e.g. Owlbears). But Trolls and Seahags are listed with treasure: Standard.

 

I noticed Trolls and Seahags lacking treasure because I encountered them ingame which raised my interest. I didn´t scan the entire database for lacking treasures, but looking at the tab there seem to be several more that lack treasure but should have some according to the MM.

However I haven´t encountered all of them yet ingame so I have no idea if they are random encounters that should have treasure and where which of the different ones is used.

e.g. there are 3 differnt ghasts
Protos
14111 Noble Salamanders - should have double treasure, only non-flammables and a +3 longspear
Ghasts are listed in the MM as having Standard treasure
14135 Ghast
14136 Ghast
14137 Ghast

 

The link to the dlg-editor in post 6 of the basic modding tutorial is broken
http://www.co8.org/forum/showthread.php?t=966

 

The first seahag might be a good place to inject a Helm of Reading Magic as treasure (vice a merchant). As a CR 4 monster, she should have about 1,200 gp worth of treasure. As implemented, a Helm of Reading Magic is about a 1,000 gp value item, but perhaps a little more since it can identify potions too.

 

Would there be a problem simply using the existing entrys 124 or 125 (Ogre or Ogre Chief) for Trolls? Ogres are CR 3 and Trolls CR 5 and both are large/Giants so it would at least make some sense to find an Ogres Club and some coins on a Troll too.

For Sea Hags perhaps a new entry with a chance for some potions or elixirs of hiding 33,8026/Sneaking 33,8034 and some ragged clothes 75,6123?
If that wouldn´t break the quest add a 50% chance for a swamp lotus 50,12900 so that a party could have one for Ami and a 2nd to sell to the Swamp Mother later ^^

like that?
{597}{Seahag: 33,8026 33,8034 75,6123 50,12900 silver,4-48}

Can a range of coins like silver,4-48 be combined with a chance like that for items so that we could simply duplicate the range of treasure from table 3-5 in the DMG to create a generic treasure for CR3 monsters?

Can a treasure check for skills of the party? e.g. when Survival > 10 find a chunk of meat on bears and boars? Or have skilllevel% chance,8005?

 

Here's the link (they're under "Hag"): http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/hag.htm#seaHag

As magic using creatures (see "Hag Covey", below the description), why wouldn't Sea Hags carry something useful like a Helm of Reading Magic? Troika implemented them rather differently than RAW (poison, more than twice the HD); maybe they shot for Annis instead?)

 

Well Lubash the Ogre carries a Hill Giant Club so Giants don´t seem to mind that much...

A Seahag has an INT of 10 so it´s not mindless but has the same INT as an average human. The Monster Manual and the SRD mention that Hags usually rely on camouflage and like to strike from hiding so that would be a reason for a chance of hiding / sneaking potions/elixirs.

The ragged clothes are there for the apperance and with a 75 before the entry no everytime but only 75% - could as well be 50 or 33 as I suggested for the Potions. Goblins already have leather armour in their loot for what they wear so no need to have clothing in addition to that. But not having clothing for being worthless - should then we remove all non-magical robes/slings/clubs from all found treasure for being worthless? It´s an atmosphere thing to find what could be expected in the situation and if the player decides it´s not worth enough to take it then he can leave it.

If the Swamp lotus should be unique to torment the player with the choice to either save Ami OR to sell it I´m fine with that. Perhaps give the Seahag a semi-precious stone instead as the Seahags description mentions their "magic eye" and it looking like such a stone?
50,12010 for a 50% chance of an emerald?

{597}{Seahag: 33,8026 33,8034 75,6123 50,12010 silver,4-48}

How would an entry look for a chance to find a range of coin?
Simply 20,silver,5-100 or is it more complex than for items?