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  1. Rocktoy

    Rocktoy Established Member

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    Sorry about the earlier trolling, but these kinds of comments are just so entertaining. So what even if Yuri didn’t do a whole lap or had to bale of early? You can’t compare that with an Atlantic flight for the very reason that those flights are done inside the atmosphere. Yuri was the first person ever entering the orbit and returning alive. And THAT was the accomplishment an sich. Rest is pointless bickering.

    Also condemning the original “story” as soviet propaganda is amusing. Yes, the soviet system collapsed and nowadays we have some access to soviet archives and we can have some idea of the extent of soviet propaganda. Unfortunately the same does not apply with the US. They are still alive and kicking, so there is no way telling in what extent their “story” of the space race is propaganda. My professional opinion as a part time truck driver and part time grad student in western history (I’m writing my MA theses about the usage of death penalty in eighteenth century England, so it is not my field of expertise) is that it would be naïve to think that US side utilized no propaganda.

    One nice example of US propaganda is the claim that they won the cold war. Nobody won that war; it ended because the soviet bloc collapsed. The collapse was caused by the internal problems of the soviets and the US had nothing to do with those reasons. One does not win a tennis game just because one’s opponent gets a heart attack in the middle of the game. (before ranting criticism recommended reading: Explaining the history of American foreign relations / Edited by Michael J. Hogan, Thomas G. Paterson.2nd ed. Cambridge University Press, 2004.)
     
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    Rocktoy Established Member

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    Also do remember that the US space shuttles are now grounded, since they are considered obsolete and dangerous. Yet the international space station (ISS, former MIRV) is still maintained by the Russian space rockets (soljuts or something) launched twice a year…
     
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    plus the earth resides inside space, so the first person in space was Adam
     
  4. Sergio Morozov

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    Yes, the manned spaceships are called "Soyuz" ("Union") and automatic cargo carriers are called "Progress".
     
  5. GuardianAngel82

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    Irrelevant. The flight was incomplete. This is interesting because it deviates from the previously given story. Of course, the historically important part WAS accomplished.

    Furthermore, your hissing is not evil.
     
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  6. Sergio Morozov

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    Since the spaceship had no purpose except to get the spaceman into the space once and then back to the Earth, and since the spaceman flew into the space and returned, the flight is complete, because those two goals were achieved.

    If the spaceman were NOT to return (lost in space, burned during descent or forever orbiting high), then the flight would be incomplete.
    If he were unable to fly into the space, there would be no flight at all.
    If he were to return dead, the flight would be complete, but ended with an accident (like some were, indeed).

    [Mmm... One of my old professors told me, that to repeat arguments is a bad taste, yet, it seems, I've done just that...]

    How do you know? Where were you able to hear it? :twitch:

    OK, let's try this:

    <evil laughter>
     
  7. GuardianAngel82

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    I agree with your professor, so I am dropping it. Your points are essentially correct. We are arguing semantics.

    Evil hissing must come from an evil source. Hissing by itself is just wierd.

    Evil laughter works. I use it as I am about to grab a small person and "eat" them. :chew:
     
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